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Nice, But Doesn't Give the Whole Picture
« on: July 22, 2010, 08:28:37 AM »
Interesting Jon. And I know what you are getting out. But to use one of my sites as an example I don't think your tool fairly represents every situation.

1800realitycheck.com is a tool that helps vistors determine what is selling on eBay Pulse right now. Now normally it is said that eBay Pulse is good in determining popular searches but not necessarily what items are selling the best. However, I developed this site to scan through eBay Pulse and to pick out highest bids within each category. Obviously an item currently receiving 40 bids is a "hot item". The premise of my site being that if you do this enough... say for 30 days... you can see hot niches developing within eBay's most popular categories... IF these niches are there you will see them.

Ok, now with that all said I think this is a pretty valuable tool for anyone searching with these particular keywords:

discover what sells on ebay
what sells on ebay

This site always ranks high in Google with these keywords (in particular, there are many more but this is enough here).

Right now we're at number 4 with "discover what sells on ebay" (About 42,100,000 results)...  I have an article at number 2 but that besides the point here.

"what sells on ebay" has us at number 8 (depends on which side the sun comes up I guess because we'll go between 4 and 8 ) (About 4,420,000 results).

Now understand, my tool will answer the question on every visitor's mind in REAL TIME. It's an application, not merely a bunch of gathered up gobbly-gook cramed into some sort of eBook or "course".

Shablast has us at #23 for "what sells on ebay" with 3 %. And at #25 for "discover what sells on ebay" with 3%. Meanwhile, we're also listed at #23 under whois.domaintools.com with 4 %! In other words, whois.domaintools.com which DOESN'T ANSWER the questions of what sells on ebay is said to have more information and thus is ranked slightly higher. All you find on that site is data about MY site, but no answers to the basic question. It doesn't serve the purpose the searcher is looking for (i.e. waste of time).

Also, because the other sites ahead of us use OLD INFORMATION... whereas, like I said, my site will give the vistor exactly what they are looking for IN CURRENT UP-TO-DATE FASHION the searcher stands to get a better answer at my site then anywhere else yet we are listed below 20 in Shablast.

Two other points:

Shablast is slow.
It doesn't give you an approximate search count as Google does.

So, in summary, it's "interesting" but I don't think Shablast covers all the bases... it needs more work to be really impressive.

Oh BTW: #21 with 8 % is an affiliate promoting my site! And, #14 has nothing to do with what sells on ebay.




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Re: Nice, But Doesn't Give the Whole Picture
« Reply #1 on: July 23, 2010, 06:39:21 PM »
If your site uses scripting to auto-show results, then it has no static content and will show very little relevance in Shablast.

This engine is a work in progress. I have some things to add and change when I get the time   

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Re: Nice, But Doesn't Give the Whole Picture
« Reply #2 on: July 23, 2010, 07:09:54 PM »
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This engine is a work in progress. I have some things
to add and change when I get the time

I really like Shablast!

It has already been very useful for me.  Have used it instead of
Google for stuff that is not on TOPIC with Google.

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Re: Nice, But Doesn't Give the Whole Picture
« Reply #3 on: July 27, 2010, 07:14:54 PM »
If your site uses scripting to auto-show results, then it has no static content and will show very little relevance in Shablast.

This engine is a work in progress. I have some things to add and change when I get the time   

Fortunately for us, Google has a handle on this already.  8)
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Re: Nice, But Doesn't Give the Whole Picture
« Reply #4 on: July 27, 2010, 07:20:26 PM »
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Fortunately for us, Google has a handle on this already.

Tradeview,  8)

Jon has put a lot more stuff of shablast as of today.

But to be honest with you, I have gotten more ON TOPIC information from
shablast, than I EVER have with Google.

Have a great evening,  ::)

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Re: Nice, But Doesn't Give the Whole Picture
« Reply #5 on: July 27, 2010, 07:34:36 PM »
Tradeview:

As of right now, for the keywords "what sells on ebay" in Shablast, the top results are all very informational in nature.  They answer the question, "what sells on eBay?", returning articles that tell you what sells on eBay or how to go about finding it out.

If your site is not informational, meaning it's just a scripted list of products currently selling on eBay, then it's not going to rank well because of that.  The great majority of the time, if a page does not contain a cross-section of information verified by all or many of the other results for a query, then it doesn't belong at the top.

That appears to be what's happening with your site in this instance.

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Fortunately for us, Google has a handle on this already.

No, they really don't.  I see more stuff ranking #1 in Google because of its links when the stuff that's the most relevant and informational languishes on page two.

Take for instance "what sells on ebay" -- the #1 ranking result is a sales pitch for a ClickBank product.  The #1 page does not answer the question!  By contrast, the #1 result in Shablast is an article that lists a number of popular items to sell on eBay.  It answers the question.

If Google "had a handle on this", I wouldn't be bothering with Shablast.  But I get more frustrated with searching at Google by the day, thus my interest in producing something that actually returns informational results rather than just link-based commercial ones.
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Re: Nice, But Doesn't Give the Whole Picture
« Reply #6 on: July 27, 2010, 07:46:12 PM »
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get more frustrated with searching at Google by the day, thus my interest in producing
something that actually returns informational results rather than just link-based commercial ones.

Jon, I have never heard a truer statement.  Every thing researched is not based on who is #1, 2, 3. 

More times than not, it is someone wanting ACTUAL information on a subject, not how well a particular
site ranks - which is so bias it is unbelievable. $$$$$

In my opinion Google information is all about who can pay the most to be the first at the top of the page.

Informational results is what I want to see.  And I would love the ability to put shablast in my search engine box.

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Re: Nice, But Doesn't Give the Whole Picture
« Reply #7 on: July 27, 2010, 07:47:29 PM »
I'll see what I can do about that Jo.

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Re: Nice, But Doesn't Give the Whole Picture
« Reply #8 on: July 27, 2010, 08:10:41 PM »
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I'll see what I can do about that Jo.

That would be great Jon.. ;D

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Re: Nice, But Doesn't Give the Whole Picture
« Reply #9 on: July 28, 2010, 07:36:52 PM »
Tradeview:

As of right now, for the keywords "what sells on ebay" in Shablast, the top results are all very informational in nature.  They answer the question, "what sells on eBay?", returning articles that tell you what sells on eBay or how to go about finding it out.

If your site is not informational, meaning it's just a scripted list of products currently selling on eBay, then it's not going to rank well because of that.  The great majority of the time, if a page does not contain a cross-section of information verified by all or many of the other results for a query, then it doesn't belong at the top.

That appears to be what's happening with your site in this instance.

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Fortunately for us, Google has a handle on this already.

No, they really don't.  I see more stuff ranking #1 in Google because of its links when the stuff that's the most relevant and informational languishes on page two.

Take for instance "what sells on ebay" -- the #1 ranking result is a sales pitch for a ClickBank product.  The #1 page does not answer the question!  By contrast, the #1 result in Shablast is an article that lists a number of popular items to sell on eBay.  It answers the question.

If Google "had a handle on this", I wouldn't be bothering with Shablast.  But I get more frustrated with searching at Google by the day, thus my interest in producing something that actually returns informational results rather than just link-based commercial ones.


I understand what you are getting at here. However, my site is more then merely a script that shows eBay products. It actually gives the vistor a way to SCAN THROUGH CURRENT POPULAR LISTS to see in as near real time as possible what is selling on eBay right now. And NO static page will ever give you this sort of information because they don't take advanage of what a computer can do.

It will be interesting to see how Shablast competes with Google.. that in itself is a tough order for anyone.  8)
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Re: Nice, But Doesn't Give the Whole Picture
« Reply #10 on: July 28, 2010, 07:53:27 PM »
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how Shablast competes with Google

Tradeview, 8)

Some day's you just can't win! :D

It don't have to compete with Google, it beats the cr-- out of Google for any research purposes. ???

You just need to figure out how to put the comparison part of your E-bay (love it) site in such a way
that it shows on Shablast too. 

And furthermore I have no doubt you will be able to do that!

It should be easy for a guy like you who makes his living on the Internet. ::)

Just do it, I got confidence in you..

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Re: Nice, But Doesn't Give the Whole Picture
« Reply #11 on: July 28, 2010, 09:58:21 PM »

And I would love the ability to put shablast in my search engine box.


And I second that - that's a great idea!

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Re: Nice, But Doesn't Give the Whole Picture
« Reply #12 on: July 28, 2010, 10:43:01 PM »

And I would love the ability to put shablast in my search engine box.


And I second that - that's a great idea!

Unfortunately it's rather more difficult than I thought it would be to make that happen. I need to figure it out though.

Oh, and Tradeview, take a look at the results for "what sells on bay" now.  I don't see how you could think that Googles results are better after my last ago update.   Googles top 10 is covered with sakes letters, whereas Shablasts top 10 is almost all informational.

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Re: Nice, But Doesn't Give the Whole Picture
« Reply #13 on: July 29, 2010, 11:31:28 AM »

And I would love the ability to put shablast in my search engine box.


And I second that - that's a great idea!

Unfortunately it's rather more difficult than I thought it would be to make that happen. I need to figure it out though.

Oh, and Tradeview, take a look at the results for "what sells on bay" now.  I don't see how you could think that Googles results are better after my last ago update.   Googles top 10 is covered with sakes letters, whereas Shablasts top 10 is almost all informational.

OK, I just took a peek.. not bad. But the results I got on Google weren't bad either. I'm not getting the sales letters you mentioned for Google. On both engines I'm seeing some good information.. but out of date.. on Shablast some 2 years old (one a promotion for HammerTap).

Google must be up to something because now my site is listed at #5 (#13 on Shablast)... but of course I'm not being biased  ::) ... and both engines are seeing the exact same thing. So somehow Google is figuring out that my site must have something better to offer over the other 4,355,000 results. How do you suppose they might be doing this since the site is built on a script, devoid of static gobbly-gook pages? Interesting.

I would like to point out also that the vast majority of people never really take the time to learn HOW to search on Google. The pros do, but not the general population. On Google you can type in a product and price range and BINGO.. get a list of prices for that item right at your fingertips... amazing. On my blog you can type in say.. (40 bids) into the Google box at the bottom of the page and Google will quickly scan every listing I ever posted to show you all the items that received at least 40 bids. And stuff like this doesn't even begin to scratch the tip of the iceberg with what can be done if you know how to use Google (which I am sure you do know Jon but not everyone who may read this). And so this is why I say it will be interesting to see how Shablast develops from here. I'm not out to discourage the development of Shablast, I'm keenly interested... but I'm also a realist... Google has milions of dollars behind it, and over 19,000 people working 24/7 worldwide to make it the best and if you can beat all of that, I'm in your corner!

My advice, if Google catches on that something good is happening with Shablast .. sell it to them! Because in the long run they will end up consuming it anyhow.
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Re: Nice, But Doesn't Give the Whole Picture
« Reply #14 on: July 29, 2010, 11:53:04 AM »
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The pros do, but not the general population.
Tradeview,  8)  Are you the pro you mentioned?  I know you are a pro, but lots on the forum don't.  And you just insulted a lot of US!

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Google is figuring out that my site must have something better to offer over the other 4,355,000 results
It's all about the money!  Quit paying them and see where your site stands! ::)

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Google has milions of dollars behind it
It's all about the money!

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if Google catches on that something good is happening with Shablast .. sell it to them
              He-- No!
Or at least I hope Jon won't sell it to them.  No matter what you say Tradeview  8) Shablast beats Google all the way
for research.


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